Anonymous asked:
jordandwhiteqna answered:
Sorry you don’t like it.
But Hydra are not Nazis and were never meant to be. They used Hydra in the Cap movie so as not to have to sully that family movie with Nazi soldiers. But in the comics, they were meant to just be a rival spy organization like SPECTRE.
What? I know I’m not the most knowledgeable on comic book lore, but I swear Hydra = Nazi is like… a known thing? With stuff from canon comics to back it up?
Nope. Von Strucker was a Nazi and was head of Hydra for a long time, but he co-opted Hydra from Japan. They were not white supremacists, as they were not all white–they were just “might makes right” style fascists, not tied to race or religion (other than weird alien cult religion stuff).
They premiered in Nick Fury comics from the 60s, as a rival spy agency. It was during the Cold War they debuted in comics, not WWII.
When did they start being accociated with the Nazis, then? I still think there’s enough of a connection between the Nazis and HYDRA in the minds of fans that an antisemitic reading is perfectly viable. And facism itself has a strong implication of being antisemitic and racist, just by the historical and cultural weight of the war. And cultural implications are everything in the realm of storytelling.
It seems like this mostly stems from the first Captain America movie. In the movie, in an effort to avoid using Nazis in a fun, family movie, they used Hydra. The goal was to avoid exactly what some people are accusing Marvel of right now–to not use the Holocaust and its perpetrators as cartoon villains in a bit of light entertainment. In that film, Hydra is thought to be a piece of the Nazi science division that went rogue. Even that, though, has been shown to be incorrect in Agents of SHIELD where Hydra is revealed to predate WWII by centuries. But more people know the Cap movie than know either the comic book history or agents of SHIELD, so that misconception remains.
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